Posts by Beth Sarim

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Christopher Hitchens Vs Armageddon

by The Marvster in

i've just spent a big part of today watching interviews, debates etc with richard dawkins.

when i was a jw i used to hate this man with all my energy, i looked on him as the devil's offspring, he represented an idea that totally terrified me.

today i found myself saying i love the man.

Beth Sarim

Yup. Critical thinking skills are not acquired by listening to the Borg. Such skills are attained by rational logic and independent reasoning, which are not taught by the Borg. People like Richard Dawkins do an excellent job at explaining evolution, which adds to critical thinking skills.

Secondly on a personal note, someone I like to watch on TV is Joel Osteen. Such uplifting, moving displays on TV. Now that is Christian. Making human beings feel worthy, and not dumped on with guilt or fear at assemblies or conventions.

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Discussion with a Pioneer Pt. 3

by Saved_JW in

[cont...] at this point david and i had developed a great rapport.

not everything we talked about was "theology" .

i think its important to develop some sort of friendship along the way, in doing so, he was able to relax and not be on guard the entire time.

Beth Sarim

Saved_Jw;

You had a discussion with an MS at an assembly and he no longer believes the WT. True, you never know what shreds of doubt the rank and file have. Once you have these doubts, one has to come up with some kind of escape plan.

That is just it though. There are elders who even have doubts. One can even try fading, but in some situations fading is next to impossible. The more responsibilities one has the tougher the fade can be. Especially if you have wife and kids. A successful fade may take years and years and years.

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Disfellowshipping Spree In My Congregation

by jw07 in

i just was looking back at a group photo on social media from exactly one year ago.. there are 12 persons in it, and since last year 3 of those persons in that photo have been disfellowshipped, plus one more not in the photo.

so that's a total of 4 persons from my congregation of a little over 100 publishers.. unfortunately 3 are back at the meetings and taking the shunning, but one seems to be fully awake and has disappeared completely.. that's the most persons i recall being disfellowshipped in my congregation in such a short while.

usually it's like 1 every 2 or 3 years.. i wouldn't mind seeing more people leaving.. there are currently 3 persons who i wonder about.

Beth Sarim

This is the information age now. Any JW youth who wants to investigate the Borg can do so at will. Whether it is at a local library or on their smart phones they have information about the Borg history at their fingertips.

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London Bethelites Living on Their Nerves?

by The Searcher in

just got home and received information from a source regarding london bethel: .

a bethel couple told my source that they are getting rid of about 20/25 bethelites every week and that if they are to go, they will get called in on a friday and given their leaving date.everyone is "on edge" and hoping that if they get the boot, they've got time to make alternative plans.. perhaps bethelites everywhere should apply this scripture, by looking for a job and accommodation now - and then just resign from their "vow of poverty" without giving advance warning.

(proverbs 22:3) "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself, but the inexperienced keep right on going and suffer the consequences.".

Beth Sarim

Although I suspect that the majority of the rank and file are clueless about the layoffs at Bethel(s). it must begin to filter down. Word of mouth will carry this and before long most of the rank and file will hear about it. If money runs out, it proves that God is not backing the Borg.

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Oh, and Freddie Franz says, "Thanks an effing bunch!"

by rory-ks in

the faithful and discreet slave are free to look back now and make a mockery of whatever beliefs were previously held by jehovah's witnesses.. they are also free to make types and anti-types of some parts of scripture, and not of others.

they do that thing where they focus on one part so as to distract from the fact that they are doing the exact same thing with another part.. for example, in his talk featuring the new understanding of the "man with the secretary's inkhorn," geoffrey jackson goes on to say:.

we know in recent years we've been careful not to try and make types and anti-types of every aspect of what the bible says.

Beth Sarim

I beg to guess that Rutherford and Freddie Franz were the two leaders that could have really intimidated the rank and file in their day(s).

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Does growing up in a religious family make you MEAN?

by Divergent in

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yeah, i was mean.

could it be that i was not encouraged to have non-jw's as friends, so i viewed them as insignificant?

could it be that i found it difficult to live up to "christian standards" and took it out on others?

Beth Sarim

Just an amazing find. I think that the less and less religious people are kinder and kinder, amazing but true. JW families are some of the most rude people imaginable to non JW's, especially Catholics or other forms of Christianity.

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Awake - February 2015: What do you know about JWs

by Designer Stubble in

true false - 8 questions1 jehovahs witnesses are christianstrue - we are the only true christians.

however, jesus is always secondary to yhwh or yahweh, who we for some reason call jehovah.2 jehovahs witnesses are creationiststrue, we are just not young-earth creationists3 jehovahs witnesses do not believe in doctorsfalse - of course we believe in doctors.

if we can believe in an invisible sky daddy, surely we can believe in the doctor standing before us in flesh and blood.

Beth Sarim

What an awesome thread.

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This just in new policy bethel

by poopie in

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i called bethel recently asking a question.

the question was do you have a bible example of someone that showed pricipled love to anothet human by giving them the silent treament for months?

answer well bro are you a jw yes well we will aens the elders over to help you.

Beth Sarim

Exactly why they want it in writing. Any, Any negative writing toward the Borg any questioning is redirected to your local elder gestapo. Providing your name and address provides them the avenue for your local henchmen to call on you!!!

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Discussion with a Pioneer

by Saved_JW in

two weeks ago i had an opportunity to meet up with a pioneer whom a friend had accepted a "bible study" from.

my christian friend invited me to come along as support, so my plan was to sit back and listen for the most part.

well, that was the idea anyways.

Beth Sarim

''JWs can't show any doubt or flexibility at all in front of each other''

True, so true!!

I really do believe all JW's have doubts. Something has to ignite them. JW's cant' show any doubt amongst themselves for fear of being judged as ''weak'' or being fearful of being subjected to a judicial committee. The spectre of it all makes them frightful of fear!!

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Please could you give me your opinions on this statement? . . .

by Miss Worldly in

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friends

'i have prayed, and confessed my sins to my god, i'm not telling them (the elders) anything'.

.. could this be a significant sign that there maybe a small dent in the armour of an active jw?

or is it just a case of 'keep your nose out' ?

Beth Sarim

''Telling the elders'', is only one of their control mechanisms. It's all a bunch of bull $shit, or politics. If God knows your whole heart, mind and soul, their is no need to have elders run your business.

On a side note, about elders committing past sins, transgressions. Yes, it is true. If an elder has indeed committed a past sin and 2 or 3 years has passed, then, and only then, only are ONLY elders excused from any judicial action or deletion of their appointments. The elder(s) who transgressed, can retain their title. So yes, elders are above the law, in a way.